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#68405 - 05/22/10 07:54 AM Re: Soccer as a Vehicle for Learning Life Lessons [Re: AndyBarney]
AndyBarney Offline

Registered: 06/14/06
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I had to post this because it sounds like the old Legends versus the rest argument that we know and love so well! You’ll see that the “Barney” in this argument sees things from the opposite point of view.

smile Andy

PS: Here’s the link if you’d like to see all the opinions:
Guardian page about Barca

By Barney Ronay
The Guardian, Saturday 22 May 2010

Why are Barcelona so annoying?

Mainly it is the manner in which they paint themselves as 'més que un club'. Yeovil Town are more than a club. Get over it

This week two of the most bizarrely bloodless major transfers you could hope to see were decisively entrained. Amid scenes of absolutely no acrimony whatsoever, David Villa (already gone) and Cesc Fábregas (off soon) both pledged themselves to Barcelona, leaving Valencia and Arsenal looking a little bit like a man whose girlfriend has just been pinched by some entirely charming and handsome beret-sporting poseur who also manages to do a really good job of assuring them they should be feeling terribly flattered by all the attention. Barcelona are good at this. The most widely fawned-over of all clubs, theirs is a peculiar kind of velvet-glove imperialism. It is time someone took a stand on this. Mainly by breaking the omertà and pointing out that Barcelona are by some distance the world's most annoying football club.
Mainly it's to do with that sense of swooning self-love; not so much the idea but the manner in which they paint themselves as "més que un club". The fact is all football clubs are "more than a club". Yeovil Town are more than a club. Get over it.

Even more annoying, but related, is Barcelona's unshakeable conviction that they are intrinsically good. We are the ewoks here, they shriek. We are the Dukes of Hazard. Never mind that as a regional powerhouse they have such economic might they can even self righteously abjure shirt sponsorship (the Bono-style Unicef endorsement is also annoying. You keep thinking: just get Carlsberg on the phone and buy a proper centre-forward). No other football club anywhere insists with such needy, weepy fervour that you love it. This is cloying and I refuse to swoon.

Then there is Barcelona's cultural imperialism, a more subtle form of consumer home invasion than a shirt flogging friendly in China, whereby Barcelona instead style themselves as an elite product: the kind of brand adopted by people who feel they are above adopting brands. Barcelona are an iPod team, a vintage Japanese denim team; something undeniably good but also somehow tarnished by an accumulation of gloating approval. Naturally, with this in mind, it is easy to feel irritated by the manager Pep Guardiola, who is clearly bright and even nice but spoils this by looking like a swanky graphic designer, someone who might own a coffee table made out of barbed wire.

Above all I dislike their non contact tippy-tappy style of play, often deemed, like Barcelona themselves, to be intrinsically "good". I have a theory the popularity of this style owes a lot to the fact that it looks good on TV: a televisual style, suited to the armchair rhythms of possession-foul-replay-pundit-blather. It is so obviously and demonstrably high end. Oh look – a backheel! A dinky one-two! This is good football even if you don't really know that much about football, accessibly high spec like a £40 bottle of Sauvignon Blanc.
But perhaps the most annoying thing is that so many players now feel bound to emote that it is "their dream" to play for them. It makes you wonder why Barcelona don't just franchise themselves in every country, a global Barcelona brand that might finally turn the world an annihilating shade of Barcelona; and where they can all play each other endlessly, untouchably good and pure. While the rest of us, Fábregas-less, are left to get on with our everyday bad football with its scruffiness and spikiness and enduring imperfections.

A response from the same page by “Bobeto”

You've been saving that one for a while haven't you Barney? It's a fairly subjective argument, so allow me to be fairly subjective in my response.

I'll preface this by saying that while I admire Barca, I'm not a die-hard fan. So while I disagree almost entirely with what you're saying, I'm not doing so from partisan one-eyedness. That's not a word is it? Basically I'm not writing this through the peculiar specs of Jimmy Burns

"Barcelona instead style themselves as an elite product: the kind of brand adopted by people who feel they are above adopting brands. Barcelona are an iPod team, a vintage Japanese denim team; something undeniably good but also somehow tarnished by an accumulation of gloating approval"

Just because everyone else likes them doesn't mean you shouldn't. I admit here that saying this makes me a something of a hypocrite: there are players I really like like Sinisa Mihajlovic almost entirely because everyone else was going on about how he was the devil incarnate and forgetting that he was one of the best players in the world. I love Rensenbrink, despite being born a half a decade after he stopped playing, purely because he isn't Cruyff.
However in both instances this is me going against popular opinion in a positive way - they don't like him/he is ignored, so I will champion both. You're going against popular opinion in a negative way: everyone goes on about how great x is so I'll go against them.

When I watch sport I find myself generally supporting the underdog. Except on the few occasions where I believe that the favourite is doing something so amazing that I want the history books to reflect how incredible I believe they are. Sometimes I get my wish (I always support Federer and have been rewarded), sometimes I don't (Greece beat the Czechs, Liverpool beat Milan - two defeats that left me heartbroken because the underdog story paled into insignificance compared to the beauty of what the favourites were doing).

With Barca, I want them to be the first team to win back to back Champions League titles, because they are an astonishing team with brilliant players who play football that is beautiful beyond any football I've seen before. Speaking of which...
"Above all I dislike their non?contact tippy-tappy style of play, often deemed, like Barcelona themselves, to be intrinsically "good". I have a theory the popularity of this style owes a lot to the fact that it looks good on TV: a televisual style, suited to the armchair rhythms of possession-foul-replay-pundit-blather"

Isn't it often repeated that English style 100mph football is the best suited to TV hence the massive TV ratings around the World? Barca's style looks good on TV because it is aesthetically pleasing generally, regardless of where you watch them from, be it the Camp Nou or Shanghai.

I have a theory too - that this is a very English position to take. The single most annoying comment from the fallout of the Barca Inter 1-0 that I saw on these pages was about how "arrogant" Barca were in still passing the ball about the area with a minute to go. Because launching it into the box - which had been so successful up until then hadn't it? - is somehow the honourable, decent thing to do... There is an animosity to Barca here that I don't see anywhere else - although I'd happily be corrected on this point.

But nonetheless the fact that Barca's style is so alien to English football culture surely contributes to the animosity accorded to them. And while I accept that there is no 'right' way to play, surely the fact that Barca as a team have a philosophy that isn't limited to spending money (although obviously economics comes into it), and that that philosophy is an appealing one - youth system, aesthetically appealing football, supporter owned club - is admirable, even if it's not an inherently 'good thing'.

An analogy: I know the World Cup is now a brand. I accept that it's commercialised. I accept that the football in the Champions League and European Championships is of a higher standard. But it's still the World Cup, the biggest competition of any kind - only the Olympics and Nobel prizes are in the same post code as to what the World Cup means. So despite it's faults it still leaves me in awe of what it means, and I get more excited about the World Cup than anything else.

I know that Barca are commercialised. I know the Unicef thing is as much a look-down-the-nose sneer as much as a philanthropic gesture. I know Clive Tyldsley goes on about them almost as much as that night in their stadium. I know that they got knocked out by an Inter team that was better over the two legs. I know that people go on about how great they are even though they know sod all about football. But they're still the best team in the World. They still play football better than any team I've seen in my lifetime. They play football in a way I doubt I'll ever see again.

They should be celebrated.

#68409 - 05/22/10 12:35 PM Re: Soccer as a Vehicle for Learning Life Lessons [Re: AndyBarney]
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Registered: 06/14/06
Posts: 1785
Traditional coaches see soccer as tactics and players as pieces in a bigger game with the end result as the prize. Legends coaches see soccer in the moment, as a vital step in a much more important game, with character for life as the positive consequence. When teaching children it is important to ignore basic human concerns, e.g. winning, in favor of the divine, e.g. giving. Ordinary people rebuke those who search for divine truth in life. This is because they lack appreciation for the path to true happiness and fulfillment. Much as the life of the lottery winner is usually destroyed by the temptations that come with the unearned and undeserved windfall, the potential of the young soccer player will be curtailed by an outcome based tactical approach to any type of practice and game play. Inflexible tactical perspectives can only rob the young person of the creative self-determination that grows from brave and adventurous trial and error. Teamwork is vitally important in life. However, it mustn’t come at the cost of individual development. Too often individual development is sacrificed when the focus is on the outcome, (winning), instead of the process, (brave, creative leadership development).

Even children who focus on the process are initially able to just barely raise their heads and look out on reality. They see some things and miss others because they have to deal with their own challenges. Because the process is more than enough to deal with, they rise and fall at varying times but eventually break through to a higher understanding.

Other children, while straining to win, lose their focus on the process and fail to maximize their own potential. These children gradually discover they are unable to rise much further. Because they are uninitiated and less talented they lack the basis of ability that is only gained from a process focus. Consequently they will struggle to achieve a fulfilled reality. Because their childhood experience is outcome based, where they go after is then dependent on their own opinions and needs, rather than the truth. Any child that truly applies themselves to the process of mastering one true and difficult thing is gifted with other opportunities where more can be achieved. They will have seen the most so will have the platform and capacity for greater vision.

Children who have been judged by outcomes, with all of the fear, guilt, shame and blame outcome based teaching espouses, will have seen and absorbed the least of what truly determines success. It is those adults who focus only on outcomes who tend to be the sophists and tyrants.

Children that have been educated in effective process through the amazing sport of soccer, (coached the Legends way), will be capable of a variety of meaningful and fulfilling human incarnations during their lifetime. This is because they have seen the most and always keep the memory of process based learning as close as possible. Depending on how much they have conquered the process of brave, creative soccer leadership, they will transfer their pioneering sporting character into unique responsive ways to influence the family, philosophy, politics, medicine, business, the arts etc. The positive legacy for society can only be positive and enduring.

Ordinary people may rebuke them for this for they are unaware that the process based student is a lover of wisdom. The "lover of wisdom" with a brave, creative leader’s character, will ultimately possess the desire to give, to do the right things. This is the best sort of leader.

smile Andy

#68412 - 05/22/10 08:09 PM Re: Soccer as a Vehicle for Learning Life Lessons [Re: AndyBarney]
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#68413 - 05/22/10 09:37 PM Re: Soccer as a Vehicle for Learning Life Lessons [Re: Jo King]
smiles Offline

Registered: 05/12/10
Posts: 6
Absolutely blows my mind that intelligent peolple in this town still continue to get sucked into the Legends Club. Some things to think about... Andy Barney, owner of Legends Club, does not even have his own kids in the Legends. Really? If the philospohy and the Club is soooo great and the right way, then why don't your own girls play in the club? That is messed up!! His coaches nor his club are good enough for his own kids....so they play for other clubs. Can you say HYPOCRITE!!!

His employees.. or some of them, don't even have their kids in the Legends Club. They play for other clubs such as KCFC.
Guess they don't believe in the Legends coaches or Barney either. Hmmmm.....?

Barney evades his obligation of taxes. Not only in Legends, but Happy Feet, SuperClubs, and Soccer Excellence.
Anyone wonder why the tournament team entries went up so high last year for the tournaments that Legends and SuperClubs hosts? So they could include the sales tax and then some. Did they ever pay it???? NO!!!! Barney pocketed all of it and still is! Which means he is intentionally committing tax fraud! I can't wait for the day when he gets caught by all the states he has sold in!!!! Just think of all those back taxes he is going to have to pay!!

For anyone travelling on the international tours... buy your own flights. Do your homework... the price is jacked up!! On purpose too. You can get the same flight cheaper on your own... anywhere from 250-300 cheaper!

Save your money and quit giving it to Barney! There are way better clubs out there.

#68444 - 05/24/10 08:49 AM Re: Soccer as a Vehicle for Learning Life Lessons [Re: smiles]
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Posts: 132
Wow! Andys own children don not play for his club? If thats true I am speechless. In addition to the stealing of tax money?

#68447 - 05/24/10 09:28 AM Re: Soccer as a Vehicle for Learning Life Lessons [Re: smiles]
AndyBarney Offline

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More completely incorrect information from Smiles. smile

I have 5 daughters. The two eldest, Brittany and Ashley, played all their youth soccer for the Legends. They're both now in College.

Our 16 year old (Bailey) used to play for the Legends but decided she wasn't cut out for soccer so runs cross country, draws, paints and exhibits her art.

The 11 year old plays for me on a U12 recreational team. She had never shown much intrest in soccer but last Fall decided she wanted to play on a team I volunteer coach in Louisburg. She can now do every move in he Legends curriculum quite well smile. She also dances and cheerleads.

My 6 year old comes to the 11 year old's "Legends style" practices when she wants to, has a great time, and does a mean Maradona turn.

If we lived in the city the younger two would play for the club.

All but one of our coaches have, (or had in the case of Doug Kaplinger and Dean Brendel), their children in the Legends club. The one exception is Scott Vermillion who has one of his two children in the Legends and the other in another club.

I believe that the count is 16 of our 2009/2010 coaches children who now play or have played in the Legends club (including the one that now plays elsewhere who used to play in the Legends).

Our tournament entry fees weren't raised last year. In many events we actually reduced entry fees. In our canceled Fall Memphis tournament we gave every team a full refund.

Flights for our tours are offered to travelers as an option. We are one of the few tour organizations that give our travelers freedom to book their own flights and join our tour in Britain should they so wish. I have very little to do with this area but, from what limited knowledge I have, the vast majority are offered at better prices than travelers can get on their own.

As everyone who reads this forum knows I focus almost exclusively on the purist education of children and would be the first to admit that I'm a very poor businessperson. To the best of my knowledge we pay taxes on everything we should. However, I will be asking our bookeeper and CPA to do a review and make absolutely certain.

smile Andy

Edited by AndyBarney (05/24/10 09:35 AM)

#68449 - 05/24/10 10:03 AM Re: Soccer as a Vehicle for Learning Life Lessons [Re: red card]
smiles Offline

Registered: 05/12/10
Posts: 6
Yep... in his own words, they do not play for the club. Nice huh???

Andy will try to sell you all that he is paying taxes where due... but he isn't. Seriously, all you have to do is call The Department of Revenue for any state he has hosted tournaments or sold merchandise, he is not registered, nor does he pay sales tax. Even his CPA is covering it up. Which I heard is leaving. Probably doesn't want to go down with him when he gets caught. And he will! He is based in Lenexa and doesn't even pay Lenexa sales tax!

No you do not sell airline tickets at a better price for the tours! You tack on money and you know it!!

#68619 - 05/28/10 05:53 PM Re: Soccer as a Vehicle for Learning Life Lessons [Re: AndyBarney]
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Efficiency versus creativity in World Cup and youth soccer

To better understand what drives coaching philosophy it helps to relate methods of teaching to human understanding. Much has been written about the romantic versus classical conflict in humanity. Traditionalists claim that “Romantics” view the world from a dangerous perspective. Romantics are to be feared because they challenge the status quo; are loners, unconventional, geniuses, noble savages and prophets. They are inevitably the minority, but more often than not the catalysts for great discoveries and forward strides in knowledge. Classics however are inclined to preserve and protect. They are social, arbiters of taste, elitist, moral, intellectual and critical. They make things work better by tweaking and refining the status quo. Classical people are the engineers of the human race.

These conflicts of approach can be clearly seen in flying. Amelia Earhart and Charles Lindbergh were romantics. However while Earhart and Lindbergh were heavily romantic, the engineers who designed their planes and their mechanics that maintained them, were of the classical persuasion. Romantic record makers and breakers in all endeavors are intrigued by the creative art; while classical engineers and mechanics are consumed by underlying form and systems. In the world of soccer the best long-term national example of a successful classical style has been paraded by Germany. The most successful long-term romantic approach has been performed by Brazil.

In 1970 the great team of Pele, Jairzinho, Rivelino was one of the most romantic Brazilian side ever to win a World Cup. In 1974 the great German team of Beckenbauer, and Muller was one of the most classical German sides to win a World Cup. The soccer histories of Brazil and Germany illustrate that even the most romantic and classical nations have had World Cups where the national team of the era has been more or less classical or romantic than previous or subsequent national teams. The World Cup winning Brazilian side of 1994 was much less romantic than the amazingly creative but less successful side led by late Brazilian coach Tele Santana in 1982. The 1982 squad was arguably Brazil’s most talented and romantic team ever yet failed to win the big one.

In this World Cup the Brazilian team is perhaps the least romantic in living memory. The philosophy has moved away from selection of the most creative and romantic players available. Dunga has chosen players of a more classical and predictably effective nature. In this World Cup we are faced with the intriguing prospect of a Brazilian team that may be able to match Germany for its classical precision, while coming second or third to Spain and Argentina when judged from a romantic creative perspective. This may be the first World Cup in living memory where Brazil didn’t clearly have the most romantic and creative cross section of squad players.

Now that he is in the coaching hot seat is Dunga right to perpetuate his classic 1994 playing persona? Did Brazil reach their modern romantic zenith in 2002? Are they making a mistake to embrace the classical at the cost of the romantic? Should they have left a less creative player at home and included Ronaldinho in the team?

An understanding of “Romanticism and Classicism” with respect to the zenith of the adult game, gives us a better understanding of how the relationship between these two components of the human condition contribute to success or failure at the highest professional level of the sport. When we relate this knowledge to the youth game we are faced with a realization that the very greatest players, while idolized mostly for their romantic strengths, must be taught when children to morph between effective extremes of both the romantic and classic mode as circumstances dictate. If we agree that all but a few children are, at birth, nearer to one or the other end of the romantic/classical continuum our job as youth coaches is to put in what nature didn’t. In the majority of humans nature and nurture rarely bestow extremes of either romanticism or classicism but tend towards the latter. Thus, to the best of our coaching ability, we must endow players with the missing extremes if they are to achieve the margin of greatness. We must adopt a coaching approach that introduces and develops these extremes so that our players are, at the appropriate time, able to be both amazingly efficient and incredibly creative. At best this involves huge contradictions in meanings and methods. If classical and romantic perspectives are the yin and yang of the human condition, only the truly enlightened coaching philosophy will develop and unite these polar opposites into a cohesive whole. Through focusing on what constitutes high quality creative play married with a high level of efficiency, Legends coaches have managed to develop a system that combines the best of both the romantic and classical.

Somehow, most soccer players, spectators and coaches know it when they see quality soccer. It is in defining and teaching quality soccer that we struggle with such classical and romantic contradictions such as the need to win versus the need to create beauty; the short-term reward versus long-term development etc. The question, “What is quality soccer?” encourages us to evaluate the soccer world from the perspective of opposites e.g. hip versus square, romantic versus classical, human versus machine, intuitive versus rational. The identification and teaching of true quality is the factor that unites these polar opposites. A real and inclusive understanding of what is quality from both ends of the romantic/classical divide doesn’t pander to the traditional system, or beat it or even escape it. A real understanding of quality captures the system, tames it, and puts it to work for a child’s own personal use, leaving him or her completely free to fulfill inner destiny.

In the next month we will have the opportunity to evaluate quality soccer from all points of the spectrum. Every four years the best in the world come together. The theory of evolution rationalizes that the current World Cup should be the best ever. It is my hypothesis that for it to be the “best ever” it must go farther than previous World Cups in testing and proving the theory that real quality and progress must unite the classical and romantic extremes to a higher degree than ever before. For the sake of our youth, and the game as a character development vehicle, let’s hope that the team that best marries the creative/artistic with the efficient/technical wins the Jules Rimet Trophy. Anything less could fool coaches into believing that tactical coaching, instead of brave and creative leadership, is the key to youth development. This would be a travesty of perception and set youth soccer development back many years.

smile Andy

#68621 - 05/28/10 06:55 PM Re: Soccer as a Vehicle for Learning Life Lessons [Re: AndyBarney]
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#68622 - 05/28/10 06:56 PM Re: Soccer as a Vehicle for Learning Life Lessons [Re: AndyBarney]
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That is not bad Andy. You overused the crap out of the words romantic and classic, but I liked the thought process and commentary. I completely agree, Brazil looks more efficient these days, but that is not a bad thing. They still have a ton of creativity.

Way to go with the contemporary topic. Keep up the good work.

And by the way, USA is going to beat England. Soccer is such a cruel game.

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